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Keeping Up with Keeping Up

Short, and probably not completely sweet:

The Hugos. Kudos to Noah Ward, and pointing and jeering (albeit, believe it or not, with a great deal of sadness) and the Sad and Rabids, who have been involved in a frothing and gnashing of teeth-type declarations that "Our Loss Proclaims Our Win!" and/or "Our Loss Proclaims that The Tiny Clique of Evil Anti-Democratic SJW's Somehow Gathered Enough Votes to Beat Us despite us asking everyone we could think of to game the system wait, that's right out, we did not say that" - or possibly both, because ... because Puppies. 

Went to a barbecue on the far - very far - South Side of Chicago. The hosts are kind of great people; she's a long time fan and labor activist who's volunteering for Bernie, he's in the city's fire department whose generally liberal, or liberal-leaning attitude is possibly unusual for the fire department. I say all this because I had a bit of A Moment with some of the people at the barbecue, folks that the husband knows from his work. They were perfectly lovely, of that type (she said patronizingly ... yeah, I know what I sound like) - until I heard them talking about Caitlyn Jenner. I'm sure you can guess the kind of things; mis-gendering the pronouns deliberately because "he's still a guy," and declaring with certainty that "he's" doing it for the publicity and the money. 

Yeah; we don't even want to go there, do we? I had a moment of "this is not my party and I don't know these people, and I don't want to be rude." 

And then I figured, hell, no. So I said I thought it was simply good manners to use the pronouns that someone wished to be called. One woman, who obviously figured that perhaps they'd made at least some sort of misstep, did the "Well, of course, but 'he's' doing it for money -" And I said I figured she did it because she had to be what she really was. There was no further discussion of Caitlyn Jenner. Bob was amused at the fact that I'd crossed me arms as I said all this; I undoubtedly looked rather holier-than-thou. 

But I was right, and they were wrong - and my host told me later that she'd have done the same thing.  So take that, you fucking bigots. 

Gah.

 
Also, still working on the master list - but I've run into an unexpected problem. As I've gone back to gather up my stories, I've discovered all sorts of extremely aggravating coding problems with some of my stories, nearly all of them centering around Dreamwidth's apparent inability to provide me workable cuts, at least if I do the posts in Chrome. I've gone into the http and checked the codes (of course, by "codes" I mean the monumentally simplistic lj/dreamdwidth codes, because I don't know anything but those) and in some cases, it seems as if everything's coded properly ... augh ... anyhow, I've found myself digging around, trying to fix that, instead of setting up the fic indexes. I do seem to be very easily diverted from my purpose.

And finally, I've started re-reading one of my favorite C.J. Cherryh series, the Chanur series. I had forgotten how much I loved all the characters, and the world-building; the hani, the mahe ... and, for providing really fascinating villains, the kif. And of course the methane breathers ... I'm into the fourth book and still loving it. 

So - how's by everyone else?

Also -
I promise I'll get back and respond to folks in earlier posts, and try to catch up with everyone else. 

Date: Monday, 24 August 2015 11:41 pm (UTC)
shanghaied: (prickly)
From: [personal profile] shanghaied
Actually IMTAO you were both wrong, though yours was a much-less-wrong wrong. And what I mean by that is: having observed the former public life of the woman called Caitlyn Jenner, the man called Bruce Jenner always seemed to be about the publicity and the money, certainly from the moment of his Olympic triumph (which I watched, enjoyed and applauded) onwards. The tacky cereal adverts. The tacky attempt to get cast as Superman. The ever tackier career path that led him to marry a lumpen piranha determined to make its entire repellent clan rise to the top of the telly shit-heap for no reason beyond being famous for being famous. So yes, given that Bruce J always seemed in it for the publicity and money, there's no reason to think that Caitlyn J isn't also in it for those.

As for those people's intransigence, all I can offer is the suggestion that you remember and reflect on the progress our society has made in our lifetime in terms of societal - and social - equality, from the sexually and intellectually stifled Stepford/Pleasantville of the 1950s to Stonewall, Roe versus Wade, women being able to own property and have their own bank accounts (yes, even in our so-called 'free West', in many places this didn't change until after the previous two events) and so on up through the marriage equality referenda and the USA Supreme Court decision affecting equal marriage. Change takes time. We're only a little more than a century away from the end of the Victorian Age, hmm?

Sadly, our species also assures that change is pretty much always temporary, but that's 'temporary' on a scale of centuries. So do let's celebrate the progress we've made and try to be patient with the holdouts.

Also - I never did send you that private reply. Having read some of your other recent posts, I doubt I ever will. But my welcome still stands, should you ever make it to my part of the physical world, not least because I'd like a face-to-face chance to lead you towards the land of reason :P :P :P
Edited Date: Monday, 24 August 2015 11:41 pm (UTC)

Date: Saturday, 29 August 2015 01:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shanghaied
In no order...

Never heard of Fletcher Pratt, so I wikied. How would you compare him to e.g. Boucher or Leiber? Not that I've had any particular interest in reading science fiction for many, many years with the exception of Neal Stephenson and a small selection of the works of Connie Willis (how can someone get some books so right and then go and lose the plot so spectacularly, as she's done IMTAO with that ghastly turgid Blackout/All Clear pair...), but I'm a tiny bit curious :-)

I never have understood and never will understand the NonSapienses who think sexual orientation is a matter of choice. And by 'understand' I mean 'get my brain around how it's possible for a sickeningly large number of hairless chimpanzees to fall so easily for ridiculous lies propagated by ignorant - or worse, deliberately self-blinded - gits driven by fear of their own inadequacies', or something like that. But at the same time I would have to say that yes, our species covers such a vast spectrum of weird and weirder that there undoubtedly are some specimens who would go to such insane-to-us lengths simply for a few extra milliseconds of ill-gotten fame. Whether or not Jenner is one such isn't a question you or I can answer without access to the flies on her wall o_0

As for I'm sure my last couple of posts, all full of excitement about writing the next chapter, or for actually organizing my various stories, must have made you shake your head/roll your eyes/both. Totally understandable. Heh.: actually, no. It's not the fanfic, it's the general fandomism (with a side portion of FWP-meets-SJW) that presses my ick button. But I still like your brain, even if I see it as wandering off in some dodgy directions :P

BTW speaking up in real life is always a good thing so long as it doesn't jeopardise one's income or personal safety - unless one is willing to take whatever bad things might happen as a result. We need the Rosa Parkses and the Edward Snowdens, but not everyone is as willing or able to put their own necks on the block...
Edited Date: Saturday, 29 August 2015 01:24 pm (UTC)

Date: Tuesday, 25 August 2015 03:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bibliofile
Go you for speaking up in favor of others' self identities, especailly regarding gender. Doesn't have to be confrontational, just factual. And as Neil R would point out, half the time you're talking to everyone not just the mistaken person.

Date: Monday, 24 August 2015 08:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tardis-stowaway.livejournal.com
I was so happy to see that the Puppies didn't manage to take a single category. (Well, they had GotG on their lists, but that would have probably have been nominated anyway and the filmmakers had nothing to do with the Puppies.) I was proud of the SF fandom community for that.

Date: Tuesday, 25 August 2015 07:11 am (UTC)
ext_26142: (Starlord & Raccoon by beccadg)
From: [identity profile] beccadg.livejournal.com
Well, they had GotG on their lists, but that would have probably have been nominated anyway...

Yeah, thanks to the Hugos having released the voting statistics for all of the voting rounds, I've seen more than one person say the numbers make it pretty clear GotG would've been there with or without the Puppies. If you'd like to see laid out what the finalists ballot would likely have looked like without the Puppie freeping you can see io9's take on it here. While it's a little sad thinking about what might have been, it's nice to know what to really go out and read.

Date: Saturday, 29 August 2015 04:00 am (UTC)
ext_26142: (10th Doctor Certified Geek from ???)
From: [identity profile] beccadg.livejournal.com
You're welcome! I'm such a geek I couldn't resist sharing the stats. :D

Date: Monday, 24 August 2015 02:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liadtbunny
One day all the stupid people will go away. Well, I can always hope!

Date: Monday, 24 August 2015 03:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com
Bless you, bb...and thank you for correcting the bigots!!

And yay, I'm not the only Bernie fan! Whew...

*HUGS*

Date: Monday, 24 August 2015 04:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com
Bernie has been speaking my language for over 25 years. He may not be elegant, he may not be 'scripted', but that's really the charm. He's been speaking on these issues for so long and now he's being heard - because we are WANTING to hear him.

SO crossing my fingers!! The alternatives are...unpleasant.

*HUGS*

Date: Tuesday, 25 August 2015 03:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] clocketpatch
I wasn't following the Hugo vote in any meaningful way... and yet I am Still very, very, very pleased to hear that the Sad Puppy factions of SF fandom were out voted, and that the system is being changed to prevent such maliciousness in future.

Date: Tuesday, 25 August 2015 05:33 am (UTC)
ext_26142: (Starlord & Raccoon by beccadg)
From: [identity profile] beccadg.livejournal.com
The Hugos. Kudos to Noah Ward...

Speaking as some one who ponied up the 40$ to (among other things) vote for him repeatedly, I'm very pleased with the outcome. With the Hugos having released the voting statistics on all of the voting for the Hugos this year, I've seen it estimated that somewhere between 800 and 1000 of the 5,950 total voters in the voting for the winners were Puppies. They brought out a crowd with their freeping the nominating stage, and it was not friendly to them. I've heard there were as many No Awards given out in one night, as in the entire previous history of the Hugos combined. I've also heard that the percentage by which the new record for number of voters, set this year, exceeded the old one was 65%. I couldn't help thinking the Puppies at least put a lot of extra money, at at least 40$ a pop, into the budget for next years Hugos.

Date: Saturday, 29 August 2015 03:55 am (UTC)
ext_26142: (10th Doctor Certified Geek from ???)
From: [identity profile] beccadg.livejournal.com
I'd love to think some of the many people who turned out to vote this year might find it interesting enough to turn out next year, too.

Well, one of the things in favor of at least some of the new World Science Fiction Society members returning next year is that the membership they bought this year gives them a right to be part of next year's nominating process. In buying a membership they didn't just buy into voting "no award" this year, they bought into making nominations next year. Next year's noms could be very different both from what the puppies would like, and from years before. Hard to say.

I'm not optimistic, but I'll hope.

I don't expect they'll all come back, but I do suspect that to a certain extent the puppies paranoia has been self-fulfilling. They pissed a lot of people off by attacking a non-existent conspiracy, and some of those people will stay pissed, becoming a rabid core of their own. The puppies may not have completely politicized the awards, but they made sure that people who really hate people like them know that the awards are something the puppies are willing to try and drag down. There will be resistance there that they weren't facing before.

And the thought that those folks ponied up enough to make the Hugo budget even sturdier for next year? Yeah, I'm giggling, too.

It's in my Top Three favorite things with how well Noah Ward did, and GotG winning in spite of the puppies not because of them. ;-)

Date: Wednesday, 26 August 2015 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ljgeoff.livejournal.com
Oh, Chanur -- one of my favorites, too. I pretty much love everything Cherryh has written. I fell for Vayne pre' hard, back in the day.

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