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So. The Hugos. 

Once upon a time, for a short while, I was an enthusiastic Old School SF fan. I attended Worldcons, read through everything nominated for the Hugo awards, (at least those things I could get my hands on) and voted happily. I eventually gafiated lo these three decades gone now, and I know well that the Hugos are as likely to be popularity contests as they are to be signifiers of quality.(Often popularity and quality overlap, which is not quite totally germane to this.) Still, the Hugos have a place in my memory and in my heart, because they are part of what introduced me to a) some pretty decent writing and b) fandom - which is, possibly, even more important.

That's why I was disheartened to learn that a group of people who believe that fandom has been improperly taken over by folks who aren't, by and large, white, cis-gendered, straight males (and a few good-looking white-cis-gendered straight females) and who have apparently dedicated themselves to fighting the good fight against such people, have succeeded in loading the 2015 Hugo Awards ballot with nominations for books, stories, television episodes, fanzines, movies, etc., etc.  that they believe are more worthy. They invited folks with whom they are sympatico, including many in the G*merg*te community to join them in block voting for those worthy offerings. They thus succeeded in filling up many, if not all, the slots in most, if not every, Hugo category.  

It makes me sad and angry for several reasons. Not least of which is, of course, that I have slid into that spectrum of fandom that these folks, the self-named "Sad Puppies," call Social Justice Warriors, or SJWs. Perhaps I always had that bent, but it's gotten more pronounced over the last nine years or so - hey, just about the same time period that I've been in online LJ/DW, Who/fanfic fandom! Hmmm.... But I digress. Yes, I like to think of myself as a progressive, so I imagine I'm immediately classed by these folks as "the enemy." Their loss, not mine, but as you can imagine, I'm not happy to see what they've done. 

There are other reasons I'm unhappy with this. As much as I know the Hugos have always been political in some ways, have always been popularity contests in some ways ... I still respected them, and thought that other fans respected them, too.

This move doesn't signal either respect for the field of science fiction (which is, as we know, what I point to when I say "science fiction") or for fandom. And that makes me angry.

Yet another reason: there are, perhaps, some books, stories, movies, etc., on the "Sad Puppies" slate that would be worthy of peoples' time and votes - but because they have been placed on the slate, a lot of people who want to protest the Breitbart-like reactionary mouth-frothing and self-pity-sodden moves of the "Sad Puppies" will vote No Award rather than vote for them. And that's understandable, given that apparently most of those whose work is on the SP slate have allowed their names to stay on that slate, which doesn't, in my opinion, speak well for them. Still, their works should have stood or fallen on their own, not because of an admittedly fully understandable reaction against the SP. 

So why should I care? After all,
I haven't gone to a Worldcon since 1986 or so, and I fell out of the habit of reading a lot of SF or fantasy as well. (Why? Because Fanfic ... ahem ....) It's probably true that few people outside the world of science fiction fandom pay attention to the Hugos, although they are better known to the general public now than they might have been 30 years ago, when I was still voting for them. And this could easily be dismissed as a tempest in a teapot. But it angers me that people whose philosophies are, by their very nature, exclusionary and reeking of fear and hatred of change and the new, are doing this to something I care about.

Especially when these people have the unmitigated gall, or apparent cultural tone-deafness, to say they are doing it in the name of inclusion and returning the Hugos to diversity and anti-authoritarian forward thinking. No, really, that's what they're saying. Because John W. Campbell-White-Guys-Finish-First SF is under attack from everywhere - everywhere, I tell you ... sweet, weeping jesus. Haven't these guys ever read The Futurians, or The Way The Future Was? Even some of the stalwarts of White Guys Finish First SF were the kind of people from whom the Sad Puppies would recoil in horror.

Anyhow, here are links to a few current news pieces and opinion pieces about the fun and games (not all of which are in lockstep with each other.)

Here are thoughts by people I
 trust and respect about said fun and games.

Here's a link to the official Hugo ballot, and a link to what would be the "No Sad Puppies" ballot. 


Date: Monday, 6 April 2015 09:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com
OMG...this is terrible. WTF is wrong with the world. Why is it, every time we move forward, we take two steps back.

Generations from now, even something as 'small' *coughs* as this will be looked upon with a frown. Do they NOT get the stupid irony of their 'inclusiveness' horse shit?! SciFi has always, ALWAYS been about diversity, going up against insurmountable odds, being the odd one out and winning, the movement forward in thinking, society and ideas/ideals. This is beyond a joke. This is frigging horrifying and enraging...wth.

The SJWs? Yeah, they have gotten worse. And they are their own brand of hate-mongering and fear. They are one of the main reasons I avoid Tumblr as well. There are several different types of blindness. One can be 'progressive' and still be REgressive. They are not immune to this phenomena. *Sigh*

*Hugs you*

Edit: Okay. Read some of what these 'vaunted thinkers' within the articles had to say. To say I am disgusted is an understatement. Fucking neanderthals. THESE are the 'leaders' of SF?! Count me out then. @#$%ing hell...
Edited Date: Monday, 6 April 2015 09:46 am (UTC)

Date: Monday, 6 April 2015 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com
As am I, but then, I think of the SJWs as hysterical, belligerent and self-righteous asshats. Everyone who is reasonable I think of as Progressives. But then, I came across so many self-righteous, hate-mongering, name-calling/cat-calling, fear-driven SJWs on Tumblr, it drove me away from Tumblr. To call out Hate with more Hate is not the way to go. To me, Progressive is a little more realistic, down-to-earth and with a for-everyone attitude and looks a little more like this. So that's where my thoughts are on that.

I think I'm just appalled and headdesking because the louder one crew screams, the louder the other one does (and by this I mean Priveledged, Pompous Assholes VS Internet!SJWs) and all it does is create more hate, fear and anger. Nothing gets done. And the priveledged use their priviledge to make it all that much worse. I'm just beside myself! I keep fighting, but I guess I find it easier to do so quietly and in little ways that can lead to big ways, as screaming just seems to make me hoarse and other people deaf.

And yes, the Priviledged are the new 'victims'. UGH. Fear of losing what they have is what makes them so hateful. What they don't get is the old wives tale: the more you give the more you have. If they'd just get that death grip on everyone loosened a tad, maybe they would find it easier to breathe, relax and enjoy what everyone can bring to the table (metaphorically). I guess I just don't understand what all the shouting is supposed to accomplish.

Gods, yes, I remember that. I also remember being uncomfortable and quite vocal about certain things after that (my apologies, btw, if I embarrassed you at any point. *Facepalm*). To me that is just fear speaking in a really ugly way. I just wish that the priviledged would realize the only thing out there to fear? Is themselves...

Date: Monday, 6 April 2015 09:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lolmac
I don't think there's anything new about the shrill young "SJWs" -- there have been similarly young, shrill, naive individuals for as long as I've had an ear to hear. I bordered on being one myself, until I recognized that the shrillness wasn't a good state of being. "If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention!" -- not quite; I've been paying attention for longer than you've [not you, Mandy or Kaffyr or anyone else here, of course] been alive, but I have more strength for the long haul when I don't waste energy being outraged.

The only difference I see in the current generation is that everyone can have a big noisy platform now, and it's easy for anyone to find their echo chamber.

So the shrillness and self-righteousness annoys me on all sides, but I'm willing to cut some slack for shrill young people on the one side, who are at least somewhat likely to grow up to be rational adult people I agree with. The Rabid Weasels are just as shrill and self-righteous, but highly unlikely to grow up, since many of them are already in their 50s and 60s. And they start at shrill and go on and down from there, passing loathsome on the way to unspeakable. (I've been following the overall story arc of this mess for the last few years, although I have more tender love for my stomach than to read more than a few lines at a time of Rabid Weasel writing.)

I just checked, and was pleased to find that a non-attending voting membership is much less pricey than I had feared! So, yay, that's now a Plan. I had at one point hoped to attend -- the PNW is my home turf, I know most of the folks who are running the con, and some of them were encouraging me to come -- but, when you get right down to it, this is one clusterf*ck I'm glad to avoid. I have to assume that the Rabid Weasels will be attending in numbers, and the thought of the hotel being flooded by that rising sea of privilege is really squickifying.
Edited Date: Monday, 6 April 2015 10:05 pm (UTC)

Date: Monday, 6 April 2015 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-phoenixdragon.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'd give that a pass myself...

As I replied to Kaffyr above, I guess I'm just appalled, tired and slightly boggled with all the white noise. I have lived and loved and tried to treat everyone around me as I wish to be treated and quietly point out when someone else's treatment is less than stellar. I know gently is not always best, but quite frankly the noise from both sides is deafening and accomplishes naught but confusion and anger.

I'm just...*hands* I cannot believe how the racist, sexist, homophobic, mysogonistic has not died out by now like the terminal diseases they are. And the boldness of late of these assholes who Hate (with that capital H!) just boggles me utterly. Then your 'new' SJW makes matters worse by hating on those who hate, which accomplishes even less and sends out the wrong message.

I dunno. Maybe I'm too old and set in my ways and not that bright. I just want everyone to share, participate, love who they love and be able to walk by a police station or a group of any set of individuals and not be afraid. Is that truly to much to ask in this day and age?

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